timely, because we are just days away. after monday as we start to move toward debt ceiling conversation and spending cuts get placed on the table, the poor are likely to take it on the chin, and that is why we are having this conversation live on c-span. our web site is a futurewithoutpoverty.com. have we lowered our expectations? i wonder what we say to fellow citizens who have lowered expectations. there is always a debate about what the proper role of government ought to be, and i suspect we are going to get into more conversation over the coming days as to what the role of government should be, what are our expectations, are they too low, and some people will say they are too high. talk about expectations. what do we have a right to expect in the richest nation in the world? >> i think it is important about what should be done, it is not theory. it is actually being done in countries around the world with demonstrated, of proven results, so every child in many countries of europe start out with preschool, and the results are unlike this country there is not hereditary problems. if i

, and we are going to see this in the debt ceiling. if you are right about this, there are people in trends in congress. they come from districts. they come from states where this is not their issue, so congress is polarized around the issue of poverty. we said there is a bipartisan consensus parliament does not matter. if you are right about your assessment, how do we imagine the plight of the four is going to get a dress? >> just what you have been giving these lawyers about. -- these blurbs about. people have to stop being silent. anytime i get a phone call in my office i believe at least 50 of my constituents believe the exact same thing. if you start calling your congress people and senators and saying to them you want to address poverty, trust that they listen. do not just assume or be angry when you turn on the news that television cannot talk to a spirited you have to do it yourself, because if you do not -- television cannot talk to us. you have to do it yourself. people get news media about food stamps, and everyone forgets about it. until we get more voices, until more people rea

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